Huey, Dewey, and Louie Turck

Huey, Dewey, and Louie Turck

Following the recent self-castration by Turkey's top commanders, Koşaner said : "It is impossible to accept their [dozens of generals in prison] detention as being in line with principles of universal law, justice and moral values,"  said.

Don't these clowns have a shred of dignity, invoking universal law, justice and moral values?

Get out of Cyprus clowns! And treat Kurds as the proud people they are.

I just can't get enough of Turkey's democracy!

Who runs the show? Democracy a-la-Turca!

Inconceivable indeed, it should be!

@Antifon, why would, the Turkish government bomb places and then say that the greeks did it. What so The Turkish army can disguise its self as greek rascists and burn Turkish villages???

@dvci, I know! Inconceivable, ain't it?

Read about it here. You are a Turk. You probably know best. Find here links to articles in the Turkish press: http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/07/beyond-turks-worst-nightmare.html

To make it easier for you,

Erdogan Cyprus visit described as tyrannical

CEM BARBER / Famagusta Gazette ONLINE • Sat, Jul 23, 2011 - Murat Kanatli, the secretary of the Turkish Cypriot “New Cyprus Party” (YKP) has said that Tayipp Erdogan’s visit to Cyprus showed a new type of tyranny directed at the north of Cyprus. “This time, Erdogan’s visit was not just a simple visit,” he told the daily Africa. “Tyranny was experienced everywhere and in every way."

Turkey can dish it out alright ...

I am thinking that the Kurds of Turkey [25%] are doing in Turkey today exactly what Turkey encouraged tCypriots to do in the 1960s, a policy the UNSG called self-segregation. Turkey can dish it out alright, but can she take it? 

FIRAT NEWS AGENCY - July 24 2011 | The election of the delegates who will represent the provinces at the general assembly of the Democratic Society Congress (DTK) on July 30 and 31 has begun.

KNC-NA Statement on democratic autonomy in North Kurdistan (Turkey)

You may wonder how is the July 14th 2011 declaration of autonomy by Kurds in Eastern Turkey relevant to Cyprus. The division we have in Cyprus today started in the 60s by a process known as tCypriots' self-segregation. The question is whether the Kurdish move will lead to a federation model to be discussed as a solution to this long-standing problem of Turkey with its 25% ethnic minority. If so, should the principles applied be the same as in Cyprus? If not, why are we then discussing federation as a solution with our minority when Turkey explores solutions within the confines of a unitary state?

Ethnic map of Cyprus prior the illegal 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Who is likely to end up with nothing?

"Not only does the Turkish government cling to outmoded hostile rhetoric but it raises an entirely new obstacle to improving relations with the EU He could have sunk his enormous pride and arranged meetings directly with President Christofias ... he [Erdogan] sounds increasingly like the worst of the ultra-Kemalists ... By offering Turkey only the crude choice between ‘the EU or Cyprus’, he [Erdogan] is likely to end up with neither" - British Member of the European Parliament Andrew Duff

Kurds to hold talks in Cyprus

BREAKING NEWS:

It was just announced that BDP/DTK representatives will be holding meetings in Cyprus (the Republic of, which as per Prime Sinister of Turkey does not exist) with leading politicians from both the gCypriot majority and tCypriot minority. The BDP wishes to explore further the current basis of the Cyprus talks, i.e. a bizonal federation, as well as the 1960/1963 arrangements.

Snubbing Cyprus means snubbing the EU

"Those who refuse to hold talks with a member state are snubbing the entire EU," said Stefan Müller, a senior member of the conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), the Bavarian sister party to Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union. Erdogan has proven that "he doesn't shy away from attempts at blackmail in the interest of political power," Müller told the daily Rheinische Post. He said that fact further disqualifies Turkey's plans to join the bloc. "They can never be an equal partner in the EU," he said.

Damn minorities!

A bunch of wise guys [Wise Men Center for Strategic Studies] just issued a report. These are their findings: “They are trying to force the expectations of the minority onto the majority” & "when it comes to [the majority] most tend to think 'The more we give, the more they will ask.'. Now, who do you think they are talking about. It turns out for the 25% minority of Kurds and 70% majority of Turks. But any Cypriot will find their findings elementary!

The Prime Sinister of Turkey

“There is now no country called ‘Cyprus.'

Kurds and the Turkish regime!

As Cypriots we make a serious mistake. We think Kurds and Turks are the same. All too often we group them together. And that is exactly what Turkey wants us to think. If only we cared to learn more we would recognize that the only way to bring some sense into to Turkey is to remind her of her failure to sort out her so-called Kurdish issue or to put it better, Kurds' Turkeyish issue. The more we understand what Kurds are trying to do, the better we can align our interests with the interests of Kurds. The result may be a win-win-win one. Read what another Kurd has to say: "Well done, Turkey has never wanted peace nor never even once indicated to anyone that they did.

Ne Mutlu Kürdüm Diyene!

"Some Turks are damn racists! Why are you trying to wipe out a whole ethnic group in your misguided belief in the ethnic supremacy of the Turks. It wasn't your Turkishness that gave you the chance to rule the Islamic world but Islam, so if you want to solve the Kurdish problem, seek that solution in Islam otherwise 'ne mutlu Kurdum diyene' will take over some Kurds. [Note: Paraphrasing 'Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene' or "How happy is the one who says 'I am Turk'", also written on the occupied Cyprus mountain, which is a guiding principle of the Kemalist education system of Turkey]" - newcomer [a Kurd] , 19 July 2011 , 19:43

Message to Turkish leaders by a Kurd

"The Kurdish question existed since 1922, and PKK was established in 1970 as a peaceful political organization. The Turkish government had 62 years to solve the Kurdish issue but despite many Kurdish revolutions Turkey only responded to Kurdish demands with military occupation. PKK decided to fight when the coup leaders closed all the door on democratic struggle. Now there is a democratic opportunity available in Turkey. cnt'd ...

Kurds love Turks: the mother of all myths!

There is nothing ethnic Turks of Turkey want the rest of the world to believe more than their carefully manufactured myth of Kurdish love towards them & vice versa. I say it is about time we take away their right to disseminate crap! Under the new category 'Kurdish Truths' I will add myth-buster comments, unedited, by Kurds and Turks on various fora. Here is one to get us started: "This again, shows the true face of the majority of Turkey. The problem with the Turkish people is their ultranationalism. Nationalism is from the 20th century, and it left it marks. Look at Auswitch. Why this anger to the Kurds?  ... cnt'd

Lonely voice

My Turkey's Kurds - Cyprus' tCypriots analogy elicited this response from a Turkish friend: "@Antifon, i'm sorry but but you're the only, single, unique individiual with your analogy, i've not heard from any other individual on this PLANET, including GCs and greeks back at Greece, so no matter how much noise you make, it is not heard because it comes only from ONE person, btw1, according to Lausanne Treaty, kurds are NOT minority, greeks, armenians and jews are minorities, btw2 haven't you got a new home and job in the south (or in other countries) now after all those 37 years, if you do i think there's no need to make so much noise as it consumes ALL of your life without any little amount of hope of success?"- Cem Emre Gülsever

Status vs. status

"What is your problem? 'Status' is exactly what Turkey insisted tCypriots should have all the way back in 1959 in Cyprus and made sure they got it. You can dish it out alright but you sure can't take it! As a gCypriot, member of the majority in Cyprus, I tell the ethnic Turks of Turkey: you are where I was in the 1950s. You have a lot of maturing to do. Study this link for the solution by a truly visionary man." - Antifon , 17 July 2011 , 12:44

The value of the loot with suffering as a metric

"To all tCypriot nationalists, who have also become filthy rich with stolen properties: your myth of genocide served its purpose well in a Turkey run by the generals. In a Turkey where TRUE democracy is slowly creeping in, especially as Turks of Turkey try to figure out what the hell is going on, your chances of continuing to be believable with your fairy tale are slim. You have cost Turkey dearly and will continue to cost her because the Kurds will want to achieve within Turkey exactly what you, along with the generals and their keiretsu, at some point convinced the Turkish public you deserved as payback for your "suffering". Let me tell you this: Kurds suffered immensely more, thus by following your logic using 'suffering' as a metric,

Beyond Turks' worst nightmare!

Who is your Kavazoglu, Turk of Turkey? Listen to him. You owe to yourself so that you can learn from someone else's history and avoid catastrophic mistakes. What he says may send chills down your spine as your own three-letter "terrorist" organization acts in ways Kavazoglu found shameful. Dervis
kavazoglu, a tCypriot, and Costas Mishaoulis, a gCypriot, were murdered together in their car by the Turkey funded terrorist organisation TMT. They became the symbol of gCypriot and tCypriot friendship and the [common] will to build a peaceful Cyprus. Below are extracts from a speech by the late Kavazoglou (or click this link to listen to him in Turkish):

Kurds' own Bastille Day 222 years later

Thursday’s [July 14 2011] announcement of “democratic autonomy” in Southeast Anatolia has sparked new debate, but the system has already been tested in parts of Diyarbakır for a number of years, a leading pro-Kurdish figure has said. The system has been in use for four years, said Cemal Coşkun, the speaker of the Democratic Society Congress, or DTK, an umbrella organization of pro-Kurdish figures and groups. Autonomous regions “will have a flag, but [we] are not trying to set up a separate country,” Coşkun said. “‘Kurdistan’ is the geographical name of the region, not a country. We do not have a problem with the Turkish flag or the borders. We just want to handle our own issues internally.”

A fascinating exchange on Today's Zaman on Kurdish autonomy

"Some silly comments here. Why should Kurds leave their ancestral homes and go to Iraq? Would people say that Turkish Cypriots should leave Cyprus and go to Turkey? It is the same thing. Kurds have lived longer in Anatolia than Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus. And yet in Cyprus, Erdogan's policy is to demand a separate state for Turkish Cypriots! If Erdogan wants a state for Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus then why can't Kurds have their own state? What is the difference?"
Orhan L. [an ethnic Turk] , 15 July 2011, 12:28

Kurds declare democratic autonomy

The Democratic Society Congress (DTK), a platform that brings together Kurdish non-government organizations, met and declared “democratic autonomy” within Turkey’s territorial integrity in Diyarbakır on Thursday.

"Remind you of tCypriots' 1963 self-segregation policy in the early 60s?" - Antifon
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/was-self-segregation-intentional-t.html 

Revolutionary idea

I am trying hard to tell you Turks that the longer you take to concede to Kurdish demands the more those demands will resemble Turkish thinking on minority rights in Cyprus. 

Is it such a hard concept to grasp? 

No need to thank me.

Wise men wanted for the Kurdish issue

“If needed, wise men, those who write and conduct research on this for years, and academics could be brought together, they could contribute to the solution of the problem, and I believe in this,” Kılıçdaroğlu said. The CHP leader's remarks came at a time when tensions are running high between the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and the government. In the latest attack on Tuesday, PKK members shelled a gendarmerie command, slightly wounding three soldiers. The PKK also kidnapped two soldiers and a health worker on Saturday night.”

Only then will the Cyprus problem be solved!

"A decades old dispute solved by July next year because Turkey says so? It's not going to happen. Once Turkey removes the illegal mainland settlers that now call themselves 'Turkish Cypriots', the 30000 illegal Turkish troops on the island, abides by international law and UN resolutions, recognizes Cyprus for what it is, an independent sovereign entity/EU member state and compensate the tens of thousands of people that had their land stolen from them. Then and only then will the Cyprus 'problem' be solved.

Your place is Nicosia, not usurped Lefkosa

“What do you mean by holding meetings in Diyarbakır? You should first decide on your address. They keep saying that they were exposed to otherification. You did this to yourself. Only the city council can convene in Diyarbakır. Your place is Ankara. A parliamentary group meeting is held in Ankara not in Diyarbakır,” Erdoğan said during his Justice and Development Party's (AK Party) first parliamentary group meeting after the June 12 elections.

The Kurdish problem is no joke

Turkey’s Kurdish “problem” is no joke. First of all, let’s face it. The newborn political crisis, which was triggered by the decision of the Supreme Election Board, or YSK, to strip some new elected MPs of eligibility to join the Parliament, cannot simply be explained away by “carelessness” of the judiciary. Sorry, but all attempts, which desperately seek to portray the problem as a judicial one, hopelessly seem over defensive of the governing party.

Do you, Turk of Turkey, understand me?

I apologize in advance to my tCypriot [Turkish Cypriot] friends for what I am about to say, but I am doing so addressing Turks of Turkey, who do not know much about Cyprus, to help them understand me as a gCypriot:

To me a tCypriot is what a Kurd of Turkey is to you, a member of a large ethnic minority. Would you offer him division or a divisive federation on a 50-50 basis if he asked? Or if his powerful friends insisted he should and twisted your arm? You know he suffered at your hands at some point. He doesn't trust you he says and never will. Would you oblige?

If you tell me you will, then what excuse would I be left with not to do the same?
Do you understand me?

Turkey's Cyprus Problem | Foreign Affairs May/June 2011

To the Editor: Hugh Pope ("Pax Ottomana?" November/December 2010) observes that Turkey succeeded in being elected to a rotating seat of the UN Security Council for 2009-10. It might then be assumed that Turkey's policies have been guided by the principles of the UN Charter. But Turkey continues its 40,000-strong troop occupation of a large part of the Republic of Cyprus -- an EU and UN member state -- despite numerous Security Council resolutions since its initial 1974 invasion calling for its immediate withdrawal. Turkey does not comply with its legal obligations to Cyprus or to the EU and forcibly interferes with Cyprus' rights in its exclusive economic zone of maritime jurisdiction.

Make the comparison yesterday!

History will be unforgiving if you and I are not capable to use Turkey's Achilles' heel to our advantage. It's not as if we have a number of other options at our disposal.

Turkey will never agree to Kurds seceding, at least not immediately and certainly not before an all-out war. Thus, she will have to grant some kind of autonomy and in the process provide community rights for the first time to her ethnic minority of Kurds.

Should we allow Turkey to preach us about peace?

Markar Esayan, Today's Zaman "Just think, the read on all the human losses and indescribable pain is completely opposite depending on whether you look at it from the east or the west of the nation. We talk about 50,000 people having died over 30 years of fighting. What this really means is hundreds of thousands. During the era of the dirty war, there were 5 million people in the region serving as soldiers. Countless people were seriously traumatized and have learned by heart that the other side is the enemy. Just as the Kurds are seen as the reason for the deaths in the official version of events in the west of Turkey, Kurds in the east see the state -- and by extension its owners, the Turks -- as responsible."

An eye for an eye

Unless Cypriots are hypocritical too (gC's & tC's), then they must agree that they will support the Kurds of Turkey, with every fiber of their being, in pursuing a federation and an equality in Turkey as Turks understand it in Cyprus. All Kurds would have to do is indicate that they are willing to compromise and accept being equal partners in a new Turko-Kurdish state as opposed to insist on outright independence.

A statement of solidarity with the Kurds must be embedded in any new Cyprus constitution, as proof to the "guarantors of Cypriot peace" that we understand their language and proposed solutions in a country's troubled majority minority relations, where the minority was/is oppressed by the majority.

Meddling in Turkey's own affairs is our only salvation.

Oh Turkish youth!

Buy Crawshaw's book listed below to read the fliers Turkey's fascists circulated in Cyprus already back in the 1950s. Could it be that the tCypriots fell victims to Turkish fascism and its master plan? Could it be that all the mess lies squarely on tCypriot shoulders and their naivete? Can Cypriots, gCypriots and tCypriots together, take Turkey to court?

A federal constituent “state” is not in the interest of Turkish Cypriots - by Alfred A. Farrugia July 6 2011

The European Commission documents, based on United Nations estimates, show that between 1993 (EC Opinion) and 1998 (EC Progress Report) the population of the Turkish Cypriots went down from 130,000 to 89,000. At the same time, the population of the Turkish “settlers” from Anatolia went up from some 45,000 to 110,000. The trend in these population movements is likely to have continued since then.

Why not even a public discussion?

Turkey, at no time in her entire existence, has she been a true democracy. She feels she is, she claims she is, she will threaten if you tell her she is not, but a democracy she is not. As a matter of fact, her social filter and understanding of western notions is so vastly different than the European norm that it is simply puzzling why the west has put up with her for so long. It will be interesting to see how she will adjust.

Looking for an honest European policy maker!

Like a modern-day Diogenes I am looking for a single European policy maker willing to ask Turkey's mild fascists this question:

Why don't you grant the same rights to your Kurds as you vehemently support for the Turkish Cypriot minority of Cyprus? Why the double standards?