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Friday, July 15, 2011

A fascinating exchange on Today's Zaman on Kurdish autonomy

"Some silly comments here. Why should Kurds leave their ancestral homes and go to Iraq? Would people say that Turkish Cypriots should leave Cyprus and go to Turkey? It is the same thing. Kurds have lived longer in Anatolia than Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus. And yet in Cyprus, Erdogan's policy is to demand a separate state for Turkish Cypriots! If Erdogan wants a state for Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus then why can't Kurds have their own state? What is the difference?"
Orhan L. [an ethnic Turk] , 15 July 2011, 12:28

"Orhan L. as Kurds we support Turks struggle to gain their righteous rights in cyprus without Turkey's intervention."
Dario [an ethnic Kurd], 15 July 2011, 12:25

"We can write 100 comments about war but this wouldnot bring back the life of gerillas not Turkish soliders..they were all young people who should have contributed to the countries development instead of dying in such an early age. both Turks and Kurdish people should put pressure on the government in Ankara to remove the barriers that causes anti army and state amoung Kurds. this way neither Turks nor Kurds will die in future. and this is something we all hope for."
Dario [an ethnic Kurd], 15 July 2011, 12:22

"@Meat Don't distort the situation. The Turkish Cypriots are protesting on the streets because they want Turkish troops to leave Cyprus. Don't you know what is going on? They are not fooled anymore by the propaganda that Turkey invaded the island for their benefit. Turkey is in Cyprus to expand its territory and control its resources. Grow up! Even our own Foreign Minister says it!"
Orhan L. [an ethnic Turk] , 15 July 2011, 11:59

"Meat Kurds were also subjected to worse treatments. their options was either to deny their culture and roots and become Turks or their villages destroyed and made refugees or end up dying in Diyarbaker prison"
Dario [an ethnic Kurd], 15 July 2011, 11:57

"How can Turkey deny its own minority their human rights then at the same time demand that the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus have 30 percent of Cypriot land, a rotating presidency, a veto on the Cyprus government and their own state? Would Erdogan give the Kurds the same rights he demands for the Turkish Cypriots? This is blatant hypocrisy! Turkish Cypriots should have the same rights we are prepared to give the Kurds. No more. No less. How can we criticize the Kurds when we set them such an example in Cyprus? I'm sorry, but our stupid policies in Cyprus risks breaking Turkey apart and it is our own fault!"
Orhan L. [an ethnic Turk] , 15 July 2011, 11:54

"Turkiyem if you read history you would know that Kurds have lived in methopotamia before Turks came from central asia. so how do you suggest the native people to leave the country for the occupiers?"
Dario [an ethnic Kurd], 15 July 2011, 11:18

"@Antifon. The big difference between what is happening with Kurds in Turkey and what happened to the Turks of Cyprus was that Kurds are not being threatened with expulsion and extermination as the Turks of Cyprus where, especially when the terrorist scum Nikos Sampson illegally took control giving Turkey full legitamate right to intervene. It should also be noted that Antifon is just another racist Greek spreading his lies maybe you should worry anout where your Greek nation is heading first as it will be a backwater colony of Germany soon."
Meat [an ethnic Turk] , 15 July 2011, 11:12

"The Turkish society at large may not realize it but your leaders, since 1959, have shared their thinking with Cypriots about majority [circa 80%] - minority [circa 20%] relations in a unitary state. Today they support a confederation disguised as a federation instead, as a possible solution to the same problem. Turks must ask their leaders 1] if good enough for the Turkish Cypriot minority, then why not for the Kurds? 2] were we fair to the majority in Cyprus in 1959? How about in 1963? How about today? 3] do we have more in common with Greek Cypriots in terms of interests as opposed with Turkish Cypriots? - In my opinion, Turks must demand that the file CYPRUS - FACT AND FICTION is opened! You will be surprised how relevant Turkey's thinking is to your attempts to seek a peaceful solution to the problem with the Kurds. You may want to start how the majority's statesman [leave your prejudices aside] attempted to bring some sense into a constitution, imposed on the majority at the insistence of Turkey [!] in 1963. The result was a move by the minority Cypriots not dissimilar to the Kurdish move of today. I hope you study the letter. [scroll down a bit]"
Antifon [a Cypriot], 15 July 2011, 10:46

"How can we demand Palestinian independence and Northern Cypress independence and turn around and deny the Kurds autonomy? All the threats in this forum are empty and ridiculous. Wake up people. The old propaganda does not work anymore. Lets accept a future Turkey."
Hakan [an ethnic Turk], 15 July 2011, 04:26

"The true agenda is separatism and it is surely the path to civil war. If the Kurds persist in listening to their cockroach instigators, they will find themselves annihilated. When push comes to shove, the Turks defend their land to the last drop of their blood; ask the British, French, Italians, Australians, New Zealanders, Greeks and Armenians. Keep listening to your paymasters and see what happens to you ultimately. It won't be the TSK that will inflict this upon you but the slumbering Turkish populace, who will rise up with a roar. This is the lull before the storm. Think of your people and be warned."
Tarkan [an ethnic Turk], 15 July 2011 , 02:02

"Baran, it's none of my business, but with freedom of speech as my weapon, let me remind you Otto Von Bismarck's remark on Aug. 11, 1867, that POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE. And today's declaration, if pursued with vigor, is possible to lead to an authentically win-win situation for ethnic Kurds and ethnic Turks within a single state."
Antifon [a Cypriot], 14 July 2011, 23:19

"For at least three decades PDK-I (Democratic Party of Kurdistan-Iran) has been advocating "Autonomy for Kurdistan, Democracy for Iran." The response has been the same bombardment and almost daily hangings of Kurdish patriots. ....... It's unlikely Kurdish citizens of Turkey will get very far with their 'Democratic Autonomy' declaration in achieving equality and equal opportunity. ........ By declaring autonomy within Turkey's present borders, the Kurdish leaders are also proclaiming the problem -call it Kurdish or Turkish problem- is an internal matter and thereby undermining international support for their just and noble cause. ..... In the aftermath of WW I, the Kurdish leaders made a similar strategic blunder by trusting their 'Turkish brothers' and, unlike the Arabs, fought side by side with the Turks against the Anglo-French imperial powers. What ensued is history, as the saying goes. The Arabs gained their independence and the Kurds faced an-ongoing brutal repression as well as cultural and linguistic genocide. ..... The current Kurdish leaders need to re-think their strategy and insist on internationally supervised referendum to ascertain if the Turks and the Kurds really and truly want to live together based on the principles of freedom, equality and equal opportunity!"
Baran, 14 July 2011, 23:01

"Orhan L., hoping that you are an ethnic Turk who agrees with me, let me tell you this: this is a DEFINING MOMENT in Turkish history, to use an Obama expression. If your leaders recognize it and address it with the statesmanship it deserves, Turkey will never be the same. The region will never be the same. You will kill two birds [Kurdish and Cyprus issues] with one stone and prepare the foundation for the next 100 years of the Republic. In the past I made it clear that I doubt Turkey is capable. I will be happy if proven wrong."
Antifon [a Cypriot], 14 July 2011, 22:30

"How can we deny the Kurds autonomy and self-rule when Turkey demands the same thing for Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus? Either we respect the territorial integrity of Cyprus or we should not complain when the Kurds demand a federal state in Turkey."
Orhan L. [an ethnic Turk], 14 July 2011, 22:18

Read the fascinating exchange & all the comments here:

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